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Author Topic: 2. Cast design & "villains"  (Read 873 times)
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« on: July 03, 2009, 10:06:49 AM »

You know, although I've got a number of obvious "npc" characters [like Carazzo's goons], I've never been a big fan of comics that make it all too easy to just stick each character into a tightly bordered singular spot that indicates their role in the story.

One -big- part of a lot of my favourite online comics [and in this case, manga] is when the author makes it feel like the world doesn't revolve around the heroes per say, and that there's a lot of other characters that are "alive" and interacting with the world as well.

Obviously these interactions don't have to be shown, nor do they have to directly involve the hero, the important thing is that it feels like you're just following one or two of many stories in a world.


Now although there's obviously "main characters" in my comic [ uncaring tobi appeased burk plotting noah] and they've got a few obvious teammates who stick by them [ contemplative 3 annoyed pablo] -most- of the cast in my comic is not designed to be some sort of foil or aid to the hero, they're designed specifically to indicate that the world is alive.

Now I can tell in advance, A LOT of the characters introduced early may seem to be either insignificant, a simple antagonist, comical relief or in posession of any other small role, but don't let this fool you per say.


Obviously some charactes had a fairly big role within the "first chapter" of the comic,  appalled eugene and  fascinated hevel were rather noticeable side characters, for example; And judging by the people's reaction to him, characters like  conceited sunny definitely managed to get their place in the spotlight.

The thing is, -a lot- of these characters may, eventually, turn out to have plot significance in the most surprising way.

Although I won't give spoilers, I can guarantee that not every ally or antagonist introduced in, say,  uncaring tobi's story will eventually turn out to be specifically important to her.



A second thing I've always found interesting in comics/shows is the designated villain.

Now I wouldn't specifically say that my comic has no evil characters, small time crook Carazzo being a prime example of a typical villain, but small time crooks are, in my mind, "real", though they may have more depth than presented, it's not a stretch to have a character like him as small-time antagonist.

When it comes to characters with a larger influence in the world, it becomes different for me though.

Why can't one man's greatest nightmare be the other's saviour?

I've got quite a line-up of characters who could easily be seen as evil by one character, yet be a great ally to another.

[ appalled eugene satisfied emperor woeful adell antagonized mai serene baltazar conceited sunny suave bandit come to mind if I go through the icon list without giving specific spoilers]

But one thing I'd really like to try and get right, is how these more noticeable antagonists may end up looking like good guys in the eyes of others, and most importantly, themselves.

Obviously I'll have to see if I can actually succeed at writing the antagonistic characters in a way that truly makes them as grey as I'd like, but hey, at least it's fun to experiment with.
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2009, 07:27:50 AM »

You could  take the easy way and make them the enemy of one main character an the ally of another, or do something more complicated and elavorate, someone who's apparently bad but in reality has a story which means that all he has ever done really for the greater good (see: Snape)
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2009, 11:11:45 PM »

You could  take the easy way and make them the enemy of one main character an the ally of another, or do something more complicated and elavorate, someone who's apparently bad but in reality has a story which means that all he has ever done really for the greater good (see: Snape)
From Fullmetal Alchemist:

Maes Hughes is an all-around nice guy, and kind of goofy. Winry likes him.

During a war Roy Mustang killed Winry's parents, who were neutral doctors, because they were treating the enemies' injuries. He is planning to commit a coup d'etat and assassinate the head of state, who seems like a nice guy. The main character thinks he's a selfish jerk, and Winry hates him.

After knowing both these people for a while, Winry learns that Hughes is Roy Mustang's best friend, and is utterly devoted to helping him achieve his goals. Her reaction is... complex. Turns out, Mustang hates himself for what he did back then and the reason he wants to take over the country is so that noone will ever receive such terrible orders again. Oh, and their leader is taking orders from a villain, though he can be genuinely nice to people who aren't sticking their noses into the conspiracy.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 12:49:45 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 03:36:54 AM »


To you too sir. appalled eugene
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2009, 04:41:00 AM »

You could  take the easy way and make them the enemy of one main character an the ally of another, or do something more complicated and elavorate, someone who's apparently bad but in reality has a story which means that all he has ever done really for the greater good (see: Snape)
From Fullmetal Alchemist:

Maes Hughes is an all-around nice guy, and kind of goofy. Winry likes him.

During a war Roy Mustang killed Winry's parents, who were neutral doctors, because they were treating the enemies' injuries. He is planning to commit a coup d'etat and assassinate the head of state, who seems like a nice guy. The main character thinks he's a selfish jerk, and Winry hates him.

After knowing both these people for a while, Winry learns that Hughes is Roy Mustang's best friend, and is utterly devoted to helping him achieve his goals. Her reaction is... complex. Turns out, Mustang hates himself for what he did back then and the reason he wants to take over the country is so that noone will ever receive such terrible orders again. Oh, and their leader is taking orders from a villain, though he can be genuinely nice to people who aren't sticking their noses into the conspiracy.

And that's just the anime, the manga gets even MORE complicated. (spoilers) The humunculi actually take orders from full metal's father, who's not actually his father but a clone of sorts, who worked together with his actual power and destroyed that other country, which the real father had no idea was going to happen but regrets it anyways, and then armstrong's sister is high command of a group that attack full metal at first, but then become his friends, and then she joins the ranks of the bad guys in high places, but then turns on them and helps take over the country, and then some people that were trying to kill full metal joined him and helped him because they really weren't that bad.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 07:42:59 AM »

I liked the anime way better.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 04:25:41 PM »

I liked the anime, but I like the fact that the manga has more story. Also, I like the villain better.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2010, 06:45:30 PM »

I liked the anime way better.

FMA was one of those bizzare times when I liked both the anime and the manga, and found that both ..  they were both different enough that it was practically like seeing two stories with the same characters.  I found both of them pretty good, so I didn't mind.

Another similar case was the novel "Do androids dream of electric sheep" and the movie "Blade Runner".  Both were quite interesting and fun, but had categorically opposite basic stories:
- the novel was a cautionary tale about building robots that seemed human, but lacked human empathy at heart, and had no regard for human life (and were gradually taking over).
- the movie was a cautionary tale about building robots that -did- have human 'souls', if you will, and about how evil it was to treat them as mere machines.

I liked the movie a bit more, but I honestly liked both a lot.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2010, 11:10:08 PM »

I dig both of them, it's hard for me to say which one is better, I kinda enjoy how the anime kept everything a bit simpler, then again, the manga is awesome in it's own way.

I might just call it a tie.  suave bandit
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